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Take a close look at the skies

December 1, 2013

To the editor: I am not going to attempt to scare you by presenting all the theories that exist about chemtrails vs. contrails. I do want to show you the difference and how to recognize each....

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Hagrid

Dec-17-13 10:48 AM

mav, I have a concern.

With Christmas coming, and Santa flying all over the world in his sleigh, I'm concerned that he might be part of the conspiracy.

After all, with the ability to carry all those toys for millions of children all over the world, the amount of barium and aluminum oxide he could carry is frightening.

He criss-crosses the globe, heck, he criss-crosses neighborhoods, at VERY low altitudes. He travels at night, so the chemtrails are virtually invisible!

Do you think you could stay up on Christmas Eve and record any chemtrails he might create?

Much appreciated.

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Hagrid

Dec-11-13 4:13 PM

mav, death camps existed in almost every war. They did not first appear around WWII, as you claim. Ever hear of Andersonville? Dachau was actually announced in German papers when it was opened in 1933.

"You will have to show me the contrails of the past that you say mimic chemtrails"

I already did. There were dozens and dozens of links describing contrails as far back as the first decade of the 20th century.

"dos not have the ability to turn into clouds or create a total overcats gray coverage"

From Merriam-Webster:

CLOUD: a visible mass of particles of condensed vapor (as water or ICE)

So, any condensed vapor, regardless of the source, can become a cloud. Even exhaust from internal combustion engines pre-jet.

Take some time to look at my link. It dispells a lot of your claims.

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maverick

Dec-11-13 2:12 PM

Hag it was seven years from the time they intiated the construction of the the death camps. These camps employed over time from 1000 to 7000. The camps functioned for five years before the were discovered by Russian liberators after horrendous deeds were done. So it wasn't "Pretty quickly, actually" as you say. And actually the chemtrails have been discovered. Kristen Meghan has come forward and several scientist and meteorologists are having seminars to get the word out. And having advertising on a web site does not imply veracity. Advertisers look for sites that have followers who will by anything. You will have to show me the contrails of the past that you say mimic chemtrails because it is not possible because jet vapor becomes visible when it crystalizes and disapates with temperature adjustment and dos not have the ability to turn into clouds or create a total overcats gray coverage.

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Hagrid

Dec-10-13 5:00 PM

mav, you failed to address my points. AGAIN. And you keep straying off topic. Let me show you how its done:

"How long afterwards was it before people realized what the Germnans were doing."

Pretty quickly, actually.

" I think that u will make unreasonable conclusion to support your argument."

I haven't done it yet. Not going to start now.

"The site you quote has no legitimacy beyond their own claims."

Not true. They had dozens of links, including Life Magazine, and the History Channel.

"I can look in the skies and see that chemtrails react unlike what is possible for contrails."

My links showed multiple links showing the same contrails back to the early 20th century. Are you saying those were chemtrails, also?

"Yet you are willing to believe that contrail ice chrystals turn into clouds."

You are lying. Show us where I said that. Fair enough?

mav, when you make stuff up out of thin air (pun intended), you have no cred

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maverick

Dec-10-13 2:20 PM

Hag, the girls name is Kristen Meghan. Anti-conspiracy means against conspiracies. How many people did it take to build Auswitz. How many did it take to build the gas chambers and furnaces and run railway lines to them. How long afterwards was it before people realized what the Germnans were doing. I don't know if u were in the military but working on classified projects demands secrecy and breaching that secrecy has dire consequences and many people are left out of the loop even though they can make assumptions they are never told the complete story. I can't believe that u are that naïve. I think that u will make unreasonable conclusion to support your argument. The site you quote has no legitimacy beyond their own claims. There are 2 side to this and I am supposed to believe your smoke and mirror source when I can look in the skies and see that chemtrails react unlike what is possible for contrails. Yet you are willing to believe that contrail ice chrystals turn into clouds.

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Hagrid

Dec-10-13 10:27 AM

"A conspiracy only takes two people to conspire to break the law."

True. But we are not talking about conspiracy in general. We are talking about chemtrails.

Let's take just ONE plane with ONE load of chemicals, shall we?

We need a pilot and crew to turn the chemtrails off and on.

We need a technician or technicians to load the chemical.

We need technicians to mount the tank and nozzles.

We need worker bees to load the chemicals into the plane's tanks.

We need someone to transport the chems to the plane.

We need someone to accept the chem delivery

We need a truck driver to transport the chem.

We need someone to order the chems.

We need someone or someones to authorize the chems.

We need someone to do the flight paths.

Being extremely conservative, that takes 10 folks to do just one run on one plane. Times how many planeloads, mav? And all these folks keep quiet for years and tears, correct?

What was that female informat's name, mav?

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Hagrid

Dec-10-13 10:16 AM

"They are actually anti- conspiracy sites"

Really? Let's take a look at all your sites, shall we?

geoengineeringwatch(dot)com: An eco-nut site. Check for yourself. They have nothing but conspiracy stuff. NOTHING else.

wikispooks: The name tells it all. but again, folks can check for themselves. Here's their heading:

"Subject matter is the Machiavellian, smoke-and-mirrors world of Deep Politics, on which it holds to a presumption AGAINST authority as a reliable source of information & evidence."

youtube: An anti-conspiracy site? Really, mav.

Those are your proof sites.

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maverick

Dec-10-13 12:28 AM

Hag calling a site that exposes a conspiracy site. They are actually anti- conspiracy sites. If you think there are no conspiracies in the history of this government you don't know the definition of conspiracy. I suggest you read the RICO Act. A conspiracy only takes two people to conspire to break the law. You idiots think that by demonizing a word invalidates evidence. People like you meaning right wing radicals attempt to rip part vocabulary or interject words like Kool-Aid drinkers, tin foil hats, and then try to vilify people with words like truthers, conspiracy theorists. You guys never have anything to offer that is why you use these talk show tactics. It just demonstrates a Wal-Mart IQ. Cheap and Unamerican.

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Hagrid

Dec-09-13 7:19 PM

"You guys cannot even deliver legitimate debate."

Now that's funny.

All you have presented are conspiracy sites proving nothing, and videos of planes with various contrails, while I presented a link with almost a century of data proving your conspiracy theory wrong.

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maverick

Dec-09-13 6:21 PM

Do you guys even read what you write. I gave you a video that shows what is going on in the skies. It shows the 45 degree and larger turning routes that are flown, the criss-cross patterns, the turning on and off of the spraying, the growth of the chemtrails into clouds and gray skies and the multiple origins of spray on a single plane. And guess what they use zoom lens photography so even you can see it. All you present is tin foil hats and Obama you tube videos. You guys cannot even deliver legitimate debate. At this point you don't deserve any more of my time. You guys are absolutely useless that must be why everyone is avoiding you on this page.

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RPG0340

Dec-09-13 10:54 AM

Maverick, there are a lot of videos on youtube. There are videos that claim Obama is satan. There is also a more believable video by Larry Sinclair, Obama's homosexual, drug gopher, lover.

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Hagrid

Dec-08-13 8:00 PM

Maybe chemtrails only affect politicians?

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jus3384

Dec-08-13 7:19 PM

Maverick, thank God that there are at least some people in this valley that are intelligent and know what's going on out there and not sheeple. You are not a whacky conspiracy theorist. People should start waking up and stop believing there little ol' federal government is here to help you cause they are not. They have destroyed the country.

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Hagrid

Dec-08-13 4:45 PM

Hag, you are a fraud. After about 25 minutes of trying to access United Airline route maps I finally called the Airline. After I talked to three different people I found that they don't post their exact routes and that the routes vary due to wind direction and air traffic."

Sorry your research skills are so poor, forcing you to make false claims. Let me make it easier on you, mav. Do a Yahoo search for "united Airlines route map" without the quotes.

Then come back and apologize.

"If you took the time today u would have seen the chemtrails continue to widen out into gray cloud coverage."

That's quite normal.

Here's proof that contrails existed, and behaved as you claim chemtrails do, as far back as the early 20th century:

contrailscience(dot)com/how-to-debunk-chemtrails/

Start explaining.

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maverick

Dec-08-13 2:59 PM

OK go to you tube chemtrails fuuly exposed. This should address all you comments.

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maverick

Dec-08-13 2:50 PM

****: //**** youtube****/watch? v=HLDqESUPa3s I don't know how to post some of these sources because the format for this site seems to edit

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maverick

Dec-08-13 2:48 PM

Watch this start to finish ***********youtube****/watch?v=HLDqESUPa3s

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maverick

Dec-08-13 4:12 AM

By the way the evidence you are looking for showing the spraying and the location of the nozzles as well as footage of them turning the spray on and off is one of the sources that I posted. But just for you I will find yet another source that will show everything that I have said

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maverick

Dec-08-13 4:09 AM

Hag, you are a fraud. After about 25 minutes of trying to access United Airline route maps I finally called the Airline. After I talked to three different people I found that they don't post their exact routes and that the routes vary due to wind direction and air traffic. If that information didn't satisfy me I could call the FAA, which I didn't. I don't think its wise to ask too many questions about air traffic these days. Again pay attention to the skies. You will see what I am talking about. If you took the time today u would have seen the chemtrails continue to widen out into gray cloud coverage. This type of event will follow the criss-crossing and the multiple parallel trails.

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Hagrid

Dec-07-13 10:25 PM

I saw the criss-crossing of flight paths on the chart I posted.

Do you think, just maybe, that the gray skies just might have something to do with the horrible weather we are experiencing? Just MAYBE?

Did you get any video of these planes spraying, turning the spray on and off and criss-crossing?

Do you think such evidence might help prove your claim?

Perhaps you can provide such evidence the next time you see it.

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maverick

Dec-07-13 5:16 PM

Hag, I never said the planes were unmarked but it shows that you looked at some source of info. Hag, tell me how you know that United Airlines criss-cross over our skies. If each of you bothered to watch the skies today you would have seen them spraying, turning the spray on and off and criss-crossing. If you look out now you will see how chemtrails expand and turn gray and the gray overcast will last a couple days. These are not the patterns of contrails. As for you guys there are none so blind as those who will not see.

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Hagrid

Dec-05-13 2:18 PM

Here's the map link:

images(dot)search(dot)yahoo(dot)com/images/view?p=airline+route+map+usa&back=****%3A%2F%2Fsearch(dot)yahoo(dot)com%2Fsearch%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dairline%2Broute%2Bmap%2Busa%26fr%3Dyfp-t-900&w=2500&h=1799&imgurl=airchive(dot)com%2Fgalleries%2Funitedairlinesroutemapusa1112_27491(dot)jpg&size=1568KB&name=unitedairlinesroutemapusa1112_27491(dot)jpg&rcurl=****%3A%2F%2Fairchive(dot)com%2Fhtml%2Ftimetable-and-route-maps%2Funited-airlines-timetables-route-maps-and-history%2F2012-united-airlines-domestic-route-map-from-hemispheres-inflight-magazine-%2F27491&rurl=****%3A%2F%2Fairchive(dot)com%2Fhtml%2Ftimetable-and-route-maps%2Funited-airlines-timetables-route-maps-and-history%2F2012-united-airlines-domestic-route-map-from-hemispheres-inflight-magazine-%2F27491&type=&no=8&tt=113&oid=b674b13ca0593f8d45eea00c935553cc&tit=timetables+maps+united+airlines+timetables+route+maps+and+history&sigr=15l8dq2ek&sigi=11uumv1kr&am

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Hagrid

Dec-05-13 2:15 PM

Oh, my, Mav. This map shows the routes of commercial United Airlines (ONLY), and it appears that their normal routes criss-cross the United States, with a whole lot of them doing near our Ohio Valley...

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Moteman

Dec-05-13 9:57 AM

You are right Hagrid covering all your windows with black garbage won't keep out the brain altering waves, But I hear it does keep out the moon bats which can be just as bad. Maybe comrade mav needs both?

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Moteman

Dec-05-13 9:34 AM

If spraying the environment with chemicals is what they are doing there is no need.

------dotnypost dot com/2013/12/05/global-warming-proof-is-evaporating/

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