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Edison Local remembered

November 17, 2013

To the editor: The Edison Local School District, formerly a School of Excellence, died after a lengthy battle with voters in the district. Several attempts to save the district were unsuccessful....

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RPG0340

Nov-24-13 8:35 AM

Wildcat24, I understand your problem. I am on your side. The problem is that any money is sucked up to pay teachers. Look at the average teacher's home. You see the large newer house, swimming pool, two new cars, with a third car for driving to work. Does it look like they are working for a failing entity? I'm not saying that some teachers do not earn their pay. I am saying that their pay is ever increasing, their job secure, their retirement secure, regardless of the financial state of the district. Keep fighting and maybe they will make real cuts and bring bussing back.

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wildcat24

Nov-23-13 11:10 PM

Home schooling isolates children we live in a very rural area with no other children. I really do not feel it is necessary to leave a child home to teach their self . I work like I said and so does my husband. I know as a teenager I would not have had the drive to do on line schooling. How are you challenged? No physical activity or social interaction. I would not give this district a dollar with ECAT really I pay taxes. Please tell me why no books no buses, no road repair. SO fix something take my kid to school give him a book and quite telling him of your money problems. Because he is at your school to learn and believe me I pay big. Oh lets talk sports > Do your kids get to play? mine no because they cant attend practice because we will have that during work hrs when your taxpayer whom has no bus has to work you have practice sorry son mom cant do that

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RPG0340

Nov-23-13 10:46 PM

You said that $50k wasn't enough to pay a teacher because they are educated. I merely explained that I am as educated as any teacher, and a very hard worker, and that by your standard, I'd deserve $50k a year "just because." This isn't about thumb tacks, or pedophilic/unethical behavior of or even paying teachers. It is about respect for the taxpayer. You know, the guy that actually pays for the district to operate. The TAXPAYER has spoken. Perhaps the district needs to show the taxpayer they have done all they can to make cuts (yes, even the sacred cow of Cadillac healthcare plans, and pensions) instead of taking away their children's ride to school. Rutang, if anyone is unwilling to engage in sensible conversation, it is you.

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Rutang

Nov-23-13 9:52 PM

RPG- Your argument is that the teachers put thumb tacks on seats and slept with students...LOL! Yet, my argument is not valid. I didn't said you want them to paid minimum wage I said you want them paid a MINIMAL salary, big difference. If you actually read what i said, i didn't "rip you" i merely said that in my experience most ppl...either way, if you feel the need to brag about your work ethic, dedication and blahblahblah you are either, self absorbed or completely full of crap. and i have no time for either type of person so I'm not "tucking in my tail..." I just done debating with somebody who argues based on nonsensical past issues and complete misinformation.

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RPG0340

Nov-23-13 9:21 PM

The area is in a shambles because of UNIONS! Teachers unions, steelworkers unions, Labor Unions all do the same thing, they demand higher, and higher, and higher wages for employees that continually do less, give less, and work less. Why do you think the steel mills went out of business? I'm sorry, you cannot pay a teacher $50k a year for 8 months of work at 35 hours a week, and steadily increase their salary just because it is written into their contract and not run out of money.

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RPG0340

Nov-23-13 9:09 PM

Rutang, I'm glad that you are tucking in your tail and running to bury your head in the sand, you didn't have much of a valid argument. Funny how you resorted to taking a rip at my work ethic/dedication something that if you actually knew/worked with me, you'd retract very quickly. You can take that to the bank. As for the conspiracy and allegations there was at least 1 known teacher sleeping with students. I was not suggesting paying teachers min.wage. I was suggesting that you pay them according to the area, and what they are worth. Besides, teachers (even great ones) are not allowed to teach the things they'd like to anyway. The curriculum is controlled by the state.

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Rutang

Nov-23-13 8:26 PM

To say teachers do not "earn" a living is a laughable statement. Now that this convo has gone to the point of conspiracy theories of teaching kids to be socialists and communists and RPG thinking that paying a teachers a minimal salary will bring in quality educators, on top of throwing out allegations of teachers having sex with students. iIm going to bow out. RPG quit living in the past. Also, my experience with people who claim they are the hardest worker, most dedicated, etc, is that they are generally none of the above. And Moteman how productive of a district can you have if you pay cooks, janitors,clerks and "helpers" (whatever that means) equal or more than the educators? Are you serious? It's no wonder that area is in shambles if there are others thinking like the two of you.

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RPG0340

Nov-23-13 10:30 AM

Wildcat24, I understand your issues. I've stated in the past that those affected by the bussing issue should hire counsel to absolve them of their property taxes since it funds a service that is to be provided yet is not being provided. Some people argue that bussing is not to be provided. I counter that by saying what happens if you refuse to send your child to school? The sheriffs office eventually investigates and charges you with a crime. So, by virtue of their own rules, and under penalty it is to be provided. How about "home schooling?"

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RPG0340

Nov-23-13 10:22 AM

"They deserve it because teachers educate the future, and i doubt your job has that type of impact on the world (unless you are a police officer, military, firefighter or nurse)"

First off, you have no right attempt to cheapen what I do to EARN a living. That's right, I said EARN, as in work for.

My job may not have the same impact as 3 of the 4 jobs you mentioned. However, every child I mentor, or teach something to outside of work on my own time is educating the future. Thinking that only teachers can educate kids is EXACTLY why our schools are failing, our communities are crime ridden, and why there are so many people on welfare. Just because someone passed their state exam to be a teacher does not mean they actually care about what they are doing. Want proof? Wasn't there a teacher(s) that slept with their students in the Edison district? Did they deserve $50k a year too?

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Moteman

Nov-23-13 9:45 AM

Wildcat24 you have a right to be angry I am too. Our school district has failed us again squandering money, with incompetence, and some say corruption. The teachers and administrators are the people that voted for the people that gave us obungler care but they get exempted from the disaster. They are keeping their taxpayer funded cadillac healthcare plans. Let's cancel their health care and force them onto the exchanges and pay for it their self like the taxpayers and voters. That would save enough money to run the buses again.

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Moteman

Nov-23-13 9:35 AM

rutang -------------- " They deserve it because teachers educate the future"

Yes they will educate our children how to be a progressive socialist or communist and their revisionist history.

Far left liberals are teaching our children. They are the 1% of the school districts that take everything. The people that actually run the schools cooks, janitors, maintenance, clerks and helpers get the scrapes and are the first to go if things go bad. Time to change it around cut teachers and administrators, cut their salaries and benefits. then maybe people wouldn't be so angry.

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wildcat24

Nov-23-13 9:26 AM

I live in Edison district,feel the school is a mess. I would like to know if the voters whom voted no would like to drive my 14 year old to school. Yeah that is right I do not have the means if I want to put a roof over his head food in his stomach. His dad and I have to work. We have a perfect school close to our home STANTON it is half empty maybe we should use it. Or have the empty school buses pick up our children. Bully policy my rear end. Who is showing the kids how to bully? The district by taking bussing away. Consolidated the school made the people mad and they have held a grudge. The people do not want an increase in the taxes b/c they are mad. I can't afford it either way gas and car expense or increase in taxes. reevaluate the government says no tax money from land owners will operate your school. divided it back up RICHMOND can have JU. And Hammondsville can have STANTON bc this is what made us POOR!! One mad parent

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Rutang

Nov-22-13 11:39 PM

"hoping and praying that enough "yes" votes show up while the "no" voters are at work."- you can't seriously think that's the board's angle to win. Frankly, no i don't think you "deserve" a job making $50,000. They deserve it because teachers educate the future, and i doubt your job has that type of impact on the world (unless you are a police officer, military, firefighter or nurse)

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RPG0340

Nov-22-13 9:57 PM

No, you get things on the ballot every year because they keep trying to sneak it through, hoping and praying that enough "yes" votes show up while the "no" voters are at work. Around here, $50,000 is a good living, especially when you don't pay much if anything for benefits, and have a rock solid guaranteed pension. I'm college educated, I also have some graduate credits, I never miss work, I always do more than what is asked of me, I donate my time to helping others, do I "deserve" a job making $50K? I almost make that much working 40 hrs a week 52 weeks a year. If you take the number of hours a teacher ACTUALLY works in one calendar year, they make almost $38/hr. That is almost 75% more than I make per hour, in a job they cannot be fired from, have to meet no performance standards, and have Cadillac benefits. I'm sorry if that sounds crude but people like me aren't going to vote to raise our own taxes because teachers think they are entitled to a ra

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Rutang

Nov-22-13 1:41 PM

It's on the ballot year after year b/c each year a new group of people are eligble to vote, ones who see the value in the school district which is why it is getting closer and closer to passing. With your logic we should put a limit on how many times an issue can be presented to the people. Thankfully that is not the case, or this country would have never seen any progress. If you want good teachers you need to pay them. the average teacher salary is $50,000. $50,000 for a college educated, and most times they even have a post graduate degree, person responsible for teaching our kids. That's outrageous and "Cadillac"?

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RPG0340

Nov-22-13 1:00 PM

I don't want to sound rude but gosh darn, when will those of you that support the levy understand that SOME PEOPLE DONT HAVE THE EXTRA CASH!!! ARE YALL THAT FLIPPIN DUMB, SO STUPID, AND IN SOME CASES SO ARROGANT, YOU THINK A GUY CAN JUST SQUAT, GROWN, AND LAY A GOLDEN EGG TO PAY FOR THIS?

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RPG0340

Nov-22-13 12:56 PM

I'll translate that last question. After a consistent "NO" vote for the past God knows how many years how does this levy keep getting on the ballot? The people have spoken. Their answer is a consistent NO. Get over it, make some cuts to staff, pay, and benefits, bring back busses, and hope that jobs will come back and people can afford to pass a levy.

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RPG0340

Nov-22-13 12:49 PM

I'm also not holding today's teachers responsible for today. However, voters do not forget. Let me put out some information and then, I'll ask you a question. The district's enrollment is decreasing with every year. The mills are failing so there are no jobs, at least not enough jobs where a person can raise a family in a predominantly rural district so people are moving away too. Health ins. costs increase for everyone yet teachers still don't pay what most workers do. Times are tough all around and people are already struggling to make ends meet. There is already no bussing for the HS with no agreement to bring it back with passage. Why should the voters vote yes? Bonus question: Why are there so many teachers and why are they paid so handsomely by a district that is "broke?" Now for the super bonus question: The voters have spoken time and time again, why are their wishes not respected?

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RPG0340

Nov-22-13 12:37 PM

No, I said that your post makes you sound like an idiot. Facts back my credibility. You were accusing me of being uninformed. My friends were the ones helping the teachers. You said I called them corrupt; yet I only agreed that being delinquent on taxes looks bad when you want taxpayers to pay more. You say I want to punish kids but the teachers already did that by taking away the busses, thus punishing parents, which in turn trickles down to the kids. You are correct that they cannot create money. They can however lay off teachers or ask them to take a pay cut, or pay more for benefits like the rest of us. Those are practical solutions like any successful business would have to make when faced with a tough time.

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Rutang

Nov-22-13 11:21 AM

RPG- I'm an idiot?...Wow, well that pretty much solidifies your credibility. I was talking in a general sense when I mentioned corruptness because your posts as well of others elude to a corrupt system/board. Maybe you should learn to comprehend. If a school board cannot afford to bus students then they must stop bussing. It's simple economics. They can't pull money from nowhere to maintain, fuel and pay drivers. You provide no solutions, just a bunch grandstanding. Also, you want to punish today and tomorrow's kids because of some alleged sabotage from over 20 years ago? Seriously, that is completely backwards. A lot of the teachers there now are from various 90's EHS classes, the board is different...so you want to hold them responsible for the alleged actions of those from 20 plus years ago?

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RPG0340

Nov-22-13 12:57 AM

Rutang, your post makes you sound like an idiot. I was describing how the teachers that almost went on strike were sabotaging their classrooms to get at the "scabs." Do you think that is childish? A bunch of "educated" people that we are supposed to trust our children with teaching them to hurt, annoy, and prank others? No, not all of them are bad, bust some are. I never mentioned anything about corruption, perhaps you should learn to read. Teachers unions bargain for benefits and pay that is much greater than the resident of their district, and now they want to*****more from them. You claim kids are punished? I have to ask you, who took away bussing?

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Rutang

Nov-21-13 12:48 PM

RPG- the more you comment the more uninformed you sound. You talk about teachers back in "the 90's" who "almost went on strike". I went to EHS in the 90's and I'm calling BS on this. If you want to push your agenda that the school board is corrupt, inept, only out for themsleves or whatever other ignorant label you want to place on them, that's your perogative, but at least base it on facts. My spouse is a teacher (not in the Edison nor any district near there) and I can assure you there are no yearly salary increases to cover raising taxes (or whatever off based reasoning you gave), as a mater of fact my spouse's district hasn't given a raise in over 20 years, and it is a district of nearly 6,000 students. You obviously have no idea what teacher's and the union are negotiating for. In our case it was not about wages, but about classroom size, curriculum cuts, no supply budget, etc. You only see what fits your agenda, not reality. So punish the kids b/c of yo

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RPG0340

Nov-20-13 10:00 AM

NSTT, I agree. If you were short on fees, I doubt they'd let your kids play. I wonder what happens if someone cannot pay their extra property taxes?

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RPG0340

Nov-20-13 9:58 AM

I'm starting to think that GTFC, is that school board member in question.

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Getthefactscorrect

Nov-19-13 4:55 PM

Oh my lord. He is unfit to serve. Really! He made an error and you want to attack him.

I'm glad you are perfect. Once again, why don't YOU do something for the district.

I will be campaigning harder then ever for the next time around.

Now I know why I don't read these comments. Nothing but negativty and attacks.

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