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Another look at the facts

October 13, 2013

To the editor: On Oct. 6, the Herald-Star dutifully published the latest nonsensical blather penned by Barry Bardone (“Sometimes, facts can be confusing....

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RPG0340

Oct-13-13 9:16 AM

First and foremost, I believe that anything written by Mr.Core shouldn't be published in a newspaper that has a website that bans him from using the site for vulgar comments.

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RPG0340

Oct-13-13 9:17 AM

Next, I'd like to inform those that lack knowledge on the topic that islam is not a race, it is a religion.

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Moteman

Oct-13-13 12:30 PM

Core while claiming to be so intelligent doesn't ever have a thought of his own. He always parrots liberal talking points from very far left web sites like the daily kos or media matters. It is funny if you go to those sits or listen to msnbc you will reads and hear the exact same tripe word for word that core is peddling. When core thinks for himself it is vulgar and reprehensible. That is why he has been deleted from this web site several times.

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Echobravo

Oct-13-13 7:43 PM

A pointed letter and obviously striking a nerve. ACA is the law and will not be repealed anytime soon so stop beating a dead horse on it. A government shut down wont even get it repealed. I Americans are now truly experiencing what the government actually does. Based on responses already it is VERY CLEAR of the cultural and religious and the coded racial intolerances that exist right there in the valley. Very reflective of fox, drug boy, beck, pailin, and cruz. You are a minority in this country.

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taydava66

Oct-13-13 8:55 PM

echo why is race brought into every comment you make? the ACA will speak for itself and in six months to a year we will know. maybe it will be such a failure that the republicans will take over senate and keep the house making obungler a hopeless failure.

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RPG0340

Oct-13-13 8:57 PM

Echobravo if we are the minority, how come you have 3 dislikes and 0 likes already? I dislike Obama because of his policies, because he is a commie, because all of his mentors were American hating red commies, because his policies are destroying America, because he is a foreign born Manchurian candidate, the enemy of America and all that is right. It has nothing to do with skin color.

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Echobravo

Oct-14-13 12:38 AM

I only respond in what I see here and implied. I will talk about he big elephant in the room and call it for what it is. Its sad that trailer trash is angry because Obama IS the POTUS (TWICE)and there is nothing that can be done about it. The AMERICAN PEOPLE (not commies) RE-ELECTED Obama. Obviously that speaks for itself. When people resort to disrespecting race, religion, or cultures then you are INTOLERANT or possibly a biggot. Unless any of you are full Native American, which I doubt what makes you more American than the next person. You all can dislike the policies of Obama, but why disrespect the intolerances that I mentioned. What does that make any of you, but sounding like the typical trailer trash that feels the American make up is slowly slipping away. Its surprising that so many are caught up on Core's perceived vulgar comments (some of which were), but I am surprised none of you have been banned on the hatred some of you project. No need of that from anyone.

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Echobravo

Oct-14-13 9:17 AM

Yea! Vman finally got how code words work. I used "trailer trash" and you took it a racist insult toward another's race. If only you and others UNDERSTOOD what code words are intended to do (incite) and with some are very effective. When nothing else to say intelligently (Benghazi or Fast/Furious (Bush Administration not Obama). Not sure if you or others served, but Generals get canned for military reasons. Don't make it political. Since you are so American patriot, you know Columbus did not discover America. That's your education system at work telling our children lies.

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Moteman

Oct-14-13 9:54 AM

Echo your posts go hand in hand with core's, stupid racist and just plain BS. You are a typical liberal when you are losing or have nothing of value to add use the race card. The only core has to say he mimics from his far left commie world and you from your Al Sharpon Jesse Jackson race baiting world.

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RPG0340

Oct-14-13 10:39 AM

Echobravo, Obama was elected the first time upon the backs of the stupid that didn't know what they were getting. Obama was re-elected because of the handouts he promised to the people that got laid off because of the policies implemented during his first term. The people that vote for Obama and liberals are low information voters, beggars (welfare slobs and occupy movement people), elite liberals, big government job holders, and union diehards that do as their leader tells them. Nobody that believes in this country (and it's ideas) in their right mind would vote for Obama.

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FedupVoter

Oct-14-13 11:12 AM

By stating that Muslims and Christians worship the same deity, Mr. Core is confessing his abysmal ignorance of Islam. I suggest he cease with his political rant long enough to pick up a Qur'an and read the 9th Surah of this evil book.

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Hagrid

Oct-14-13 11:16 AM

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy. "

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Echobravo

Oct-14-13 11:43 AM

RPG - You have to come a little better than you do. I am sure there FAR MORE intelligent and EDUCATED individuals than you. Continue to hold on to your fake Christian values.

Fedupvoter - You should educate yourself on islam and you will see that core is on track with his statement. Don't be blind and a follower. Read things for yourself.

moteman - YOU TOO should now understand coded words. Trailer Trash STRUCK A NERVE with you as well (code name for poor white trash). So now do YOU see how "shuck and jive" and other CODED words strikes a nerve with African Americans. It seems yours and others head are stuck in the sand by denying tea baggers and some repubs are race baiting every single day (palin, beck, drug boy, hanity). This is a new America and the ways of the 50s-60s are long gone.

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FedupVoter

Oct-14-13 12:03 PM

Mr. EchoBravo, I worked for six years for the U.S. Agency for International Development, primarily with Muslim majority nations. I have published articles on Islam. I can assure you, I have read the Qur'an from cover to cover, several times, as well as major portions of the Hadith, the authoritative traditions of the prophet Mohammed. Anyone who claims that Islam and Christianity worship the same God is an uneducated fool or a propagandist, like Mr. Obama. It might interest you to know that Muslims do NOT claim this similarity. They deny any resemblance between their religion and Christianity, and they view Christians as polytheists!

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Echobravo

Oct-14-13 12:05 PM

VMAN- I know about the Koran through EDUCATING myself and not blindly follow what I am told it is. Also while in the military, spent two years in the middle east gaining more knowledge. What do you know of Islam or the Koran period from your personal education/knowledge.

The fast/furious program began under the bush admin. Holder learned more of it when the patrol agent got killed. You and others know this. Why exploit it. Reagan had the iran contra scandal. Did you support that. Quit picking truths or whatever to support a false belief. Nut wings only want government when it benefits them (disaster/anti abortion, etc.) Stop ALL FEDERAL CHECKS and then you will want government open. Politicians are playing games with America's reputation in the world and many don't care because of Obama. Is it worth it. Sit back and draw your govt aid and quit complaining.

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Echobravo

Oct-14-13 12:18 PM

Fedupvoter - The only difference of the two books are: Christians/God-Jehovah, Jesus Christ. Islam/Allah, Mohammad. Both religions are about love and peace. BOTH HAVE EXTREMIST that KILL in the name of religion so when neither practices what they preach, you have what you see printed in these posts. Its all about RESPECT and not ignorance. I applaud your accomplishments through writings would hope that it bothers you of the ignorant islamic bashing that takes place here. Because many of these people have NEVER left the valley, they experience life through television/print and we how that works.

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Hagrid

Oct-14-13 12:57 PM

"It seems yours and others head are stuck in the sand by denying tea baggers and some repubs are race baiting every single day (palin, beck, drug boy, hanity)."

Got proof? No? Didn't think so.

"I dont think you lie as much EB you just forget what others told you to say"

I think you may have EB figured out. He doesn't appear to be posting his own thoughts, just what he heard. It is apparent when he does not provide any proof for his claims.

"Holder learned more of it when the patrol agent got killed."

Really? You are saying he is an ill-informed, unaware, incompetant Attorney General?

"The only difference of the two books are: Christians/God-Jehovah, Jesus Christ. Islam/Allah, Mohammad."

Wow. And you claim you educated yourself on the Koran.

"Because many of these people have NEVER left the valley, they experience life through television/print and we how that works."

Again, got PROOF? No? Didn't think so. You are makin

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Moteman

Oct-14-13 3:24 PM

The program under President Bush was called something different. The name escapes me at this time. Fast and Furious was obunglers with completely different rules. obungler let the weapons walk across the border and forced legal FFL holders businesses to sell to straw buyers. obunglers operation was completely illegal and got many people killed as well as a border agent. None of which happened with Presidents Bush's operation.

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Hagrid

Oct-14-13 8:28 PM

Moteman, EB doesn't watch Fox Nes, like the vast majority of cable news viewers, or he would know that blaming Bush for Fast & Furious is a lie, another Obama lie. Here, let me help him:

Obama: Fast and Furious Started Under George W. Bush

breitbart(dot)com/Big-Government/2012/09/21/Obama-Lies-Says-Fast-and-Furious-Started-Under-George-W-Bush

In a Sept. 20 interview with Univision's Jorge Ramos, President Obama said "the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration." While such an answer may be a viable way to escape pointed questions during an interview, the problem is that Obama's claim is absolutely and demonstrably false. Here are the facts: there was an operation to crack down on cartel members and border crime under Bush, but it wasn't Fast and Furious, and it was stopped approximately two years after it began because the Bush administration realized there was a loophole in it that could be exploited.

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Hagrid

Oct-14-13 8:30 PM

... and more:

Holder retracts claim Bush team knew about Fast and Furious

washingtonexaminer(dot)com/holder-retracts-claim-bush-team-knew-about-fast-and-furious/article/2500157

In a second major retraction over its version of the the gun-walking scandal, the Justice Department has retracted Attorney General Eric Holder's charge in a hearing last week that his Bush administration predecessor had been briefed on the affair. In a memo just released by Sen. Chuck Grassley, the Iowa senator reveals that Holder also didn't apologize to former Attorney General Michael Mukasey for dragging him into the Fast & Furious scandal that is headed for a major legal clash and likely contempt of Congress charge against Holder. According to Grassley's memo, Justice said that Holder "inadvertently" made the charge against Mukasey in a hearing.

Glad to help, EB. If you would defy your leaders, and watch Fox News, you wouldn't get so many things wrong.

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Echobravo

Oct-15-13 8:19 AM

Vman - You just proved your ignorance to any topic with independent thinking with your response to islam.

I am good knowing that Holder was left with a broader issue of fast/furious from the bush admin going into Obama admin.

Grassley is a right wing nut as well (you guys lovem'). Why should holder apologize to anyone for doing his job? Maybe not to your liking, so what. These wingers are opportunist just like highjacking the Veterans March in DC this past weekend. I am sure you have heard of that. Has fox reported that the VETERANS rally was HIGHJACKED BY CRUZ AND PALIN and their wing nuts.

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RPG0340

Oct-15-13 8:48 AM

These are your exact words Echobravo:"RPG - You have to come a little better than you do. I am sure there FAR MORE intelligent and EDUCATED individuals than you. Continue to hold on to your fake Christian values.

First off, WTH are you talking about? What is "come a little better" supposed to mean? Where does my education come into play? I never claimed to be the most intelligent person around here. Your response if anything proves how much YOU lack understanding of conversation and argument. You cannot speak intelligently so you resort to name calling and rude behavior. You must be related to Mr.Core. Come back when you can make sense when you speak.

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RPG0340

Oct-15-13 8:56 AM

Also EB, operation Wide Receiver was started under GWB. The ATF tracked the guns and notified Mexican authorities when and where they were crossing the border so that an arrest could be made. OP F&F was started under Obama. The ATF commanded firearms dealers to sell guns to straw buyers. These firearms were not equipped with tracking devices, and the agents that were monitoring the straw buyers were told to "back off and let them go" when the weapons were going to be moved to Mexico. The Mexican authorities were also not notified. So, tell me how those two operations are the same? Since you are so good a reading minds, tell me what the goal of each operation was by the way they were set up.

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Hagrid

Oct-15-13 9:07 AM

"I am good knowing that Holder was left with a broader issue of fast/furious from the bush admin going into Obama admin."

You are also good with him lying. You are also good that he sent guns to drug dealers and terrorists, and that they killed innocent people, including one of our fine border agents was killed with that gun.

"Why should holder apologize to anyone for doing his job?"

He apologized for LYING. He is a liberal crook and a LIER. But then,(you guys lovem').

"Maybe not to your liking, so what."

You like giving guns to killers. Got it. (you guys lovem').

"These wingers are opportunist just like highjacking the Veterans March in DC this past weekend."

You don't like veterans standing up for the constitution and their rights. Got it!

"Has fox reported that the VETERANS rally was HIGHJACKED BY CRUZ AND PALIN and their wing nuts."

The veterans, if you watched, welcomed Palin and Cruz with open arms and enthusiasm.

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Hagrid

Oct-15-13 9:54 AM

EB, Can you show us where the veterans opposed Palin and Cruz being there? No? Didn’t think so.

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