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Wondering where God has gone

June 9, 2013

To the editor: What God are we being governed by? When our Forefathers wrote the Constitution, they referred back to the Holy Bible for principles and ways to govern these United States....

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maverick

Jun-23-13 11:13 AM

I personally believe that America is wrongfully catering to Islam and should be challenged in court for doing so. No religion should should feared and catered to. Radical behavior that calls for the elimination of competing religions or non believers should be punished

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maverick

Jun-23-13 11:07 AM

If the Catholic church has the need to avoid legislation targeted for business they should stay out of business. There is no independent religious function that is interfered with by the government when it deals with church function or the interaction of church members and the church. Churches cannot follow their members into a pharmacy and stop the sale of ******s or any other birth control item. They can't walk into a clinic and stop a member of their church from having an abortion because no church can impede individual Constitutional rights and freedoms.

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maverick

Jun-23-13 10:58 AM

rpg, Amish and other objectors were subject to the draft unless their communities set up alternate service operations. Amish have no social security numbers. Their religion forbids the collection of welfare, social security, unemployment and medicare. They pay income tax, property tax and estate tax. In some states they are forced to buy license plates for their buggies. If they did pay income taxes they would really beat the system since most Amish have 8 to 12 children.

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RPG0340

Jun-23-13 8:06 AM

Explain why a person that made a video about the evils of islam was apprehended by a SWAT team for supposedly rousing muslims, causing the Benghazi terror attack? Why is islam being protected by the government?

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RPG0340

Jun-23-13 8:03 AM

Catholics are not violating anyone in being exempt from paying for a service their religious beliefs view as evil.

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RPG0340

Jun-23-13 8:02 AM

Perhaps you aren't understanding me here. The Amish do not have to register for the draft, pay taxes, and are exempt from many laws. The government shows them enough respect for them to have that freedom. The Catholic faith is opposed to birth control and abortion but they are being forced to pay for, and provide coverage for those services under obamacare. Shouldn't the government respect their faith enough to exempt their businesses from paying for something that they are opposed to.

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maverick

Jun-23-13 12:03 AM

Ask the Amish what happens when you violate a person. An Amish bishop is in prison for shearing several of his flock for religious reasons.

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maverick

Jun-23-13 12:00 AM

If you open your doors to the public then you must treat the public and not discriminate. The government cannot exempt any business from law based on religious beliefs.

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RPG0340

Jun-22-13 11:28 AM

The Amish faith is respected. Is it not? Muslims, despite being the cause of 99.99% of terrorist attacks and plots against the USA are given rights. Are they not? So why should Catholics be forced to support birth control/abortion, and other procedures that they are opposed to? Now think about this. A person can go to another hospital, they do not have to go to, seek treatment from, or work for a Catholic hospital.

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maverick

Jun-22-13 11:14 AM

rpg, look this was not a copy/paste. You determined that I said the government should respect religion and then asked my opinion on Obamacare. I understand your position on Obamacare relative to the beliefs of the Catholic church. But even though I am not a fan of Obamacare I unlike you don't believe that a church that runs a hospital, that makes money from all patients should be given privileges that other public other public health providers don't have.

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RPG0340

Jun-22-13 9:40 AM

I also take exception to your badgering me without proof. I've been trying to go back and find where exactly you said what or I said what. My point was that the government and their policies should not influence the right of the people to practice their religion. My question regarding obamacare was because it forces catholic employers to pay for (and therefore provide) a service that their belief is in opposition to. The government should respect the right of those people.

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RPG0340

Jun-22-13 9:28 AM

Maverick, perhaps you are not understanding me here. How would I misquote you? I quote someone by copy and paste. So If I "quoted" you, they are your exact words, not something made up by me.

Is this your quote? "The government does not have to respect any religious dogma and are actually forbidden to under the Constitution".

Yes or No.

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maverick

Jun-22-13 9:05 AM

rpg, I don't hate you. I have no personal dislike for you. It is your style of debate that is problematic. Because you adopt the style of the manipulative right wing talk show hosts such as Hannity and Limbaugh your credibility is questionable. That doesn't make you someone to hate. It just makes you someone to take with a grain of salt. The proof is that you still don't admit that you misquoted me and continue to use Hannity dodges so that you can avoid the truth....not a reason to hate you....just maybe a reason to laugh at you.

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PLCorona

Jun-22-13 8:43 AM

God is one God,under many names..Doesnt matter what path you take..Doesnt matter what congregation you choose..We are all sinners in one way or another..Just remember this..All paths lead to one door..And we all knock on the same door in the end..

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RPG0340

Jun-21-13 10:47 PM

Anyway, back on topic. If nothing else muslim students should be docked prayer time. So if they spend 2 hours a week on their knees and say their school year is 40 weeks, they owe 80 hours of classroom time to make their educational experience "equal" to nonmuslim students.

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RPG0340

Jun-21-13 10:42 PM

"I hope that no one on this site thinks that I hate them because we disagree."-Maverick

"Look I am not fond of rpg"-also from Maverick.

My oh my, what a strange diachodomy we have here.

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RPG0340

Jun-21-13 10:38 PM

"The government does not have to respect any religious dogma and are actually forbidden to under the Constitution".

Maverick, that which is above is what you posted, not me. Perhaps what we have is a misunderstanding of who is posting what.

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Moteman

Jun-21-13 9:01 PM

Now tell me why in HSs around Chicago they are going to put in foot washers and a place for prayers and rugs for the Muslim faith but Christians or Jews are forbidden to bring up God or pray in school.

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Moteman

Jun-21-13 8:58 PM

Now we sit back and wait to see how long it takes.

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maverick

Jun-21-13 2:39 PM

Look we can all lighten up a bit. These comments about families and friends serve no purpose and taints any debate. We need to address issues without personal attacks and vulgarity. This appears to be the reason that our government is taking advantage of so many infringements on our rights and freedoms because we have been polarized from debating absurdities that we can never find an iota of common ground because we both turn disagreement into hateful discourse. I hope that no one on this site thinks that I hate them because we disagree. It is apparent that we all possess different points of views on government, religion and capitalism. When we post our comments about government, religion or capitalism there is no middle ground. It is just assumed that we are unpatriotic, pagan or communists. Having issues with these various elements does not someone an enemy of the state. Everyone who posts is seeking a better country and world. We should be able to disagree without hate.

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maverick

Jun-21-13 11:05 AM

Hey troof you stepped over the line that statement has no relevance in a debate and does not help any presentation of facts. I agree with a lot of your posts but I can't condone that. Look I am not fond of rpg but it wouldn't help my position to demean him like that. You can't hate someone for their opinions. You are within your rights to dislike their opinion but the ugliness of those words is uncalled for. I know that Valley-m and others have done the same to you but don't let other people ignorance demean your style of debate. I know you probably won't agree with me but an apology is in order. If for some reason I was driven to that statement I would be apologizing and get back to legitimate debate.

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maverick

Jun-21-13 10:54 AM

Rpg..Here is what u originally said, "Maverick, if you believe what you posted about government respecting religion, what is your thought on Obamacare?" Here is what you said recently, Rpg..Here is what u say now, "The government does not have to respect any religious dogma and are actually forbidden to under the Constitution". This last one comes from a later post but both nullify your claim that I said government should respect religion. Now admit that you purposely changed my words for your own purposes and we can move on.

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RPG0340

Jun-21-13 8:56 AM

Hey core, define "racist." Let me help you here, it isn't anything like me.

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RPG0340

Jun-21-13 8:53 AM

Want an answer? No.

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RPG0340

Jun-20-13 8:37 PM

Maverick, pay attention this time.

This is what you said, meant, implied, etc...

"The government does not have to respect any religious dogma and are actually forbidden to under the Constitution"

However, We the people have freedom of religion and practice as long as it does not violate the law. When say for example, Catholic businesses, universities, employers are forced to provide and or pay for a service that is in direct opposition to their core values, that is wrong.

Now if I could only figure out what you are so pissy about, perhaps we'd solve this problem you and I are having. I did not twist your words, if anything you lacked the abaility to convey your idea at the time. Relax, it happens to everyone.

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