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Living wages are needed

May 5, 2013

To the editor: I have seen a few stories recently concerning a lack of good, drug-free employees. I think this paints local workers in an unfair, highly-biased light....

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PLCorona

May-05-13 8:43 AM

We had the very same conversation in our home and I agree 100%. Well said Mr Boyuk.

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RPG0340

May-05-13 9:23 PM

I am very surprised by people's thoughts on this issue. You cannot force employers (especially small business owners) to pay someone "x" amount for their work. For some jobs, I say the pay is not high enough, for others, it is way too much. For example, I went to one of the Mickey D's drive-thru today. I had to pull ahead to wait for a "frappe." In case you don't know it is basically a coffee milkshake with crushed chocolate chips and some chocolate syrup. I could make one in my house in under 3 minutes but I waited 10 minutes there for a whole staff of 16 yr olds to make it? Do they deserve $20/hr.? Heck no! They are "cutting their teeth" learning skills, and one day they will get a real job. Police officers have to wear a bullet resistant vest, carry at least one firearm, and all the other gear, plus have extensive 1st aid training, etc... not to mention risk their lives and most of them make way less than me. I don't think they get paid enou

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RPG0340

May-05-13 9:30 PM

enough. My point is that there should be no minimum wage. Employers get what they pay for and they know that. Working at the quickie mart is fine, you have a job, but do not whine that you aren't driving around in a new car and don't say that you deserve $20/hr. If you want $20/hr., gain the skills, or produce something of quality warranting that price.

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maverick

May-06-13 12:30 PM

There are people who work hard and deserve more money. There are people who work smart and deserve more money. There are smal business people who work hard and smart and deserve more money. Then there are corporate managers who just take our money through outrageous markups and think they deserve more. Core is right minimum wage has not risen with the cost of living but manageriAL SALARIES HAVE SURPASSED THE COST OF LIVING.

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srichN

May-06-13 5:22 PM

Am I the only one who does not uderstand how an outside agency, namely the Federal or state government, can dictate what an independent company has to pay their employees? Does anyone, besides John Stossel and me, see what an infringement on personal liberty and freedom this is? Can I not determine what I can afford to pay a worker based on the skill set that is required to do a job? Let the market decide what I have to pay for the skill set I need, not the government, which is not noted for wise decisions in any area of the economy.

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Hagrid

May-06-13 5:30 PM

Let me see if I got this right.

Poor folks create a surplus of goods since they can't buy them, and that surplus causes prices to go UP, the direct opposite of the economics of supply & demand.

And if McDonalds more than doubled their cost of labor, it would not affect the price of a Big Mac one penny.

Do I have your economic thought process right, core?

Now for some reality.

We can blame the low producing workers for low wages. When one makes themselves more valuable to their employer, their wage goes up. If one doesn't like being poor, do something about it. Yes, it takes effort and sacrifice, but the alternative is to be a lousy worker and get yourself fired over and over.

Then blam

When one chooses the easy, lazy road, don't blame others for your failures.

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maverick

May-06-13 6:35 PM

Wages took a beating when Reagan gave coporations the go ahead to raid smaller businesses and gobble up there assets and dump their legacy obligations at thr front door of bankruptcy courts. Then they took it a step further by giving incentives to move indusrial complexes out of the country accompanied by the first amnesty for illegal imigration without follow up measures.Since the 1980s their has been a flood of policy changes that have enabled the growth of corporate wealth and the stagnation of labor wages. But all the right wing sheep are masochistic and love when the gov't and corporations stick it to them. They live in fear of terrorism and gladly give up their rights and lick the boots of the wealthy

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Moteman

May-07-13 9:08 AM

I suppose a pessimistic, socialist, non-achiever, lazy bum reliant on the government for his/her personal well being would want a big pay hike without having to lift a finger to earn it. These worthless parasites on society vote for their well being they don't work for it. I agree with RPG there should be no min Wage. Let employeers decide who makes what and if you are a socialist non-achiever. If a min wage job is all you have after 30 plus years in the work force go dig in the garbage.

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RPG0340

May-07-13 10:47 AM

So Core, you are trying to say that low wages cause crime? Do you suggest that flies cause garbage as well?

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RPG0340

May-07-13 10:50 AM

Let's just say that the minimum wage was raised to $20 an hour Core. What do you think a man that makes $20+ an hour be raised to?

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Moteman

May-07-13 3:07 PM

Just a suggestion to all the people out there who have been working min. wage jobs for the last thirty years. My guess is you have no type of pension. You will collect min social security. It might not be too late to help yourself out. There are jobs out there especially in the gas industry person of reasonable intelligent and willing to work hard probably would be able to get. Get to the job fair this weekend and help yourself out, that is if you are not too lazy and like living off the sweat of others.

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Moteman

May-08-13 8:50 AM

There is no counter argument needed to your illogical wish. Your wish is so full of holes it makes no sense and we all see it for what it is, just another way lazy bums and non achievers can get what other people work for.

Say inflation several times core, Workers making 20 buck an hour and less will not likely get raises. making a large portion of the work force MW jobs.

Raise the MW to 20 buck an hour and a lot of people will lose there jobs, inflation will take off making the 20 bucks an hour worth be the same as the 7 something bucks they get now. I don't expect the people now making 12 dollars an hour will get a raise, so everyone will be hurt by the inflation. Jobs will definitely be lost as the employers have to meet the extra costs of Social Security and worker comp payments. It will make the employer's whole work force come under Obumjobcare. Employer costs will go up and the layoffs will come. New hiring will cease and people with jobs will lose them.

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Moteman

May-08-13 9:08 AM

It is a typical socialist communist conception that when raising costs on employers they should eat those costs and lower their standard of living for the sake of do nothing lazy bums.

Get us to the state that we all have the same standard of living witch eventually will be slave labor for nothing. While the PIGS ( Politburo ) will have it all.

Remember the USSR that Regan brought down?

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maverick

May-08-13 10:23 AM

You idiots are so worried about communism that ain't going to happen. You are just smart enough to push a pencil, ring a cash register, operate a pricing gun or whatever menial task you are assigned and try to pass yourselves off as more important than others. Well, you are also dumb enough to accept the crumbs that fall from the table of the criminal elite who own you, and be satusfied that this is a perfectly reasonable way of life. I'd sooner be a begger in the street than a member of your inner circle because there is nothing worse than self rightious nobody who can look down on the poor.

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RPG0340

May-09-13 10:56 AM

Core, are you suggesting that parents sent their kids to school and dug out a good life for themselves on minimum wage?

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RPG0340

May-09-13 11:06 AM

Core, you suggest that people need paid more. You live around here, you've witnessed firsthand on a smaller scale what happens when employers are forced to pay their employees "x" amount per hour. "X" being an amount greater than what an employer would otherwise pay. How many steel mills are running at full capacity? Where is the OE Toronto plant? You misunderstand this topic greatly. Employers can only pay a wage that allows their business to profit. A business cannot be run to break even or at a loss. So, that being said are you suggesting that business owners just eat the cost and pay $20/hr.? Are you also suggesting that a CEO with a PhD that puts in 60 hrs a week not get paid considerably more than say a whopper flopper?

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RPG0340

May-09-13 11:13 AM

Core, minimum wage jobs were never intended to be a means to earn a living. If nothing else a low minimum wage should be an incentive for good workers to do better, to be better than their low earning peers, and to find better jobs. How much would a big mac cost if minimum wage was $20/ hr.? What would such an increase do to the economy?

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Hagrid

May-09-13 12:52 PM

Very well said, RPG0340. We saw the destruction of this valley when folks insisted on earning their employers out of business.

We don't see core starting his own business, paying his employees $20 an hour, full benefits, health insurance, paid vacation, paid sick days. Yet he fully expect OTHERS to do so.

“A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.”

- G. Gordon Liddy

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maverick

May-09-13 4:54 PM

Gee Hag now u r quoting criminals. SOOO offended by minimum wages. Hedge fund director after bonuses took home 1.4 billion dollars and he associates have been taken out in handcuffs for inside trading and other abuses. His company paid millions in fines but he deserves his money because he spends sixty hours a week ripping off the public. Our tax dollars bailed out this country after all these overpaid CEOs gambled and lost. It makes me sick to hear all the sobs for the wealthy. As Core said if the minimum wage just kept up with the cost of living and inflation more purchasing power would improve the economy. I still can't understand the fact that u guys relish the fact that these elite crooks own you and you proceed to lick their boots.

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Hagrid

May-10-13 9:06 AM

Yes, core. You stated the obvious, true for everyone. If raising the minimumm wage to $20 has all the benefits you claim, why not raise it to $30, or better yet, $50?

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Hagrid

May-10-13 9:09 AM

mav, you have proof for your claims, yes? Wealth envy is not a supporting argument.

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RPG0340

May-10-13 10:49 AM

Maverick, you seem to have this deep belief that if someone does not support the liberal agenda that they also support government bailouts. I disagree with the government bailing out anyone. You also seem to believe that all CEOs, working professionals, and wealthy millionaires got to where they are via theft. Do you hold the same belief about Tiger Woods? Michael Jordan? We are not sobbing for the wealthy, we are tired of paying the tab for the people that are too lazy to go and get it for themselves. Making much more than min. wage can be done, you just have to apply yourself.

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RPG0340

May-10-13 10:56 AM

Core, you suggest that people had more spending power back then than they do now. Let's look at why that may appear to be true especially to the low information voter. Most people just look at the price of say a loaf of bread. They don't look at why that loaf of bread costs more.

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RPG0340

May-10-13 11:06 AM

If you want to know why things cost more now look no further than all the causes that liberals support. Unions drive up the cost of things. Look at my other example and ask yourself; where are the steel mills? Government causes most of the problem. How much in taxes do you pay when you fill up your car? How many government imposed regulations drive up costs? Working Americans will feel even more pain here soon (quite literally) with the implementation of obamacare. My point, government is the problem, not the solution.

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RPG0340

May-10-13 4:12 PM

No Core, Anarchy is not the solution. Very limited small government is better than the big tax hungry nanny state that we have now. That was my point. What right does the government have to tell an employer what he must pay his employees? Let the employees dictate what they will be paid by working or not working for that employer. An employee would go to work for an agreed upon wage. If he think it is too low, he can go somewhere else. If the employer pays too low nobody will want to work for him, and they will take their talent with them to the employer that pays better. Employers would be wise to reward their talented employees with good wages. The system balances itself.

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