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March 24, 2013

To the editor: As an Ohio ex-pat, I must comment on your recent rape trial....

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Mike831

Mar-24-13 5:10 AM

Are you also embarrased of your beloved Bay Village,Oh where Dr. Sam Sheppard murdered his wife, Did Bay Village raise a murderer, you know,a sociopath, People with no conscience or compassion . A sociopath who harms people is a psychopath. I'm never embarassed of Ohio or Steubenville, people need to look in their own backyards before they critisize a whole community or state.

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TomSays

Mar-24-13 7:28 AM

Great letter Doctor. Your letter expresses how so many feel about the rape in Steubenville and the coverup attempt that followed. Those two rapists should be thanking their lucky stars they were tried as juveniles and will be free by 21. Now we await the grand jury and the conviction of all the others who failed to protect the victim and tried to coverup the rape. I hope they all go to jail for a good long time for doing the wrong thing. Steubenville is an embarrassment and will never recover from this just like they never recovered form the steel mill closures.

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Mike831

Mar-24-13 9:02 AM

@tomsays, i always ask what city you're from, you're probably embarrased, i just want to know if there were any crimes ever committed in your city, please answer, at least the doctor told what city they were from, even it's the city from another well known Dr..Convicted Murderer, Dr. Sam Sheppard.the city of Bay Village seemed to recover and i wonder if the good DR. is embarrased that it happens to be from a city of a murdering DR. maybe that's why the good Dr. left, just curious.

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alchemy

Mar-24-13 9:25 AM

Classic government worship from the era of completely unchecked media and government. Thanks alot. However, judges in those days stood up for what the real situations were with some degree of foresight in spite of lynch mobs or SOLEY for which side appears to have the most votes. In those days despite a similar mob mentality people were more apt to decipher right and wrong when the truth was in their face. Hey I got some photochopped pictures proving why you should send me money. I'm sure you would be interested.

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classof52

Mar-24-13 11:39 AM

I do not live in Ohio. I do not know anyone in this case. I agree the boys should be punished. But register as sex offenders all their lives? That is nonsense. They're teenagers with raging hormones. Also, it is disturbing to me that this girl is not accepting any responsibility for her actions. She was 16, she knew she shouldn't drink. She should have stayed with the girlfriend she was out with. No, she should not have been taken advantage of -- but did she drink willingly, and where is her self-responsibility? Is she always going to need someone to look after her? She remembers little and is still on honor roll living a normal life while boys are locked up? Why was she not fined for being an underage drinker? If people are to be punished, ALL should be punished. This is just my view as an older out-of-state female who thinks girls should have, and use, more common sense.

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beagle

Mar-24-13 12:24 PM

Great letter....interesting (and showing)response from Mike831,Alchemy and Class'52. These warped, arcane comments show the depth of the depravity of lots of folks in this bizzaro rust bucket of a town. YES..WHERE WERE THE ADULTS? WHERE WAS THE COACH(ES) WHO MAY HAVE KNOW AND SHUT THEIR STUPID YAPS? WHERE WAS THE SCHOOL PRINCIPAL AND SUPERINTENDENT WHO ALLEGEDLY LET THIS NUTBALL OF A COACH HAVE FREE REIGN OVER STUDENTS, TESTING, SCHEDULES, ETC.....Yes......sadly, they were absent physically, emotionally, and phychologically. The 20/20 expose clearly showed the depravity of the adults who let all of this crap happen. Naked, drunk kids sleeping all over the den and living room!! And parents did not know??!! Come On!!!! Don't criticize other towns or the author....unlike Bay Village, the adults in COVERED UP FOR RAPISTS!!! When will that sink in to your poisoned heads? .....go down to "Reno Field" and talk to the crows about the town and great people you never had!

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beagle

Mar-24-13 12:27 PM

Unlike Bay Village....the adults and officials in Steubenville COVERED UP for rapists. No one covered up for Dr Sheppard...However, LIKE Dr. Sheppard, the convicted deviants ARE FELONS. I tried to keep it simple so simple minds like yours can understand this and process it.

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flickD

Mar-24-13 12:41 PM

As the old song goes...."When will they ever learn...when will they everrrr learn?" Sounds like morals lacking all around in this town.

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Moteman

Mar-24-13 1:08 PM

I think Reno put Mike's jock strap on too tight.

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colkrause

Mar-24-13 7:41 PM

It all boils down to parents talking with their kids. If you have not, do so right now.

Lets hear from the Grand Jury.

Hopefully everyone; or most everyone will be satisfied with the results, and move on.

Steubenville residents should be proud of their community for the many accomplishments that have taken place over the years.

With this blemish on everyone's minds it appears the whole town is corrrupt; but it isn't. Just a few and maybe more, but let's give the system a chance; then we can judge again.

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alchemy

Mar-25-13 12:43 AM

Jay Leno, 2 nights ago, available on Hulu, in a joke about spring break. said "a new survery said that 74% of college girls use drinking as an excuse for wild sexual behavior." I looked it up and found many surverys regarding such and even more that would have helped for understanding in this whole situation.

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GerriM

Mar-25-13 3:54 AM

We don't know that Dr. Sam shepherd murdered his wife so stop the irrelevancies, Mike. Sounds like you have a problem accepting all the immorality that Steubenville has committed. Why is that? Not in touch with your conscience, Mike?

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GerriM

Mar-25-13 3:59 AM

Classic government worship from the era of completely unchecked media and government. ... However, judges in those days stood up for what the real situations were with some degree of foresight in spite of lynch mobs or SOLEY for which side appears to have the most votes. -- More BS from Alchemy who apparently is out of touch with history and the real world.

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GerriM

Mar-25-13 4:05 AM

"She remembers little and is still on honor roll living a normal life while boys are locked up?" Class of '52

Excuse me?? There is something very strange about this comment. Are you a relative of one of the guilty parties? Class of '52 seems to think that the victim should not be back at her normal life. Bizarre thinking. Tighten up your morals.

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GerriM

Mar-25-13 4:11 AM

Alchemy looked up "all these surveys" but he provides no links or proof of "all these surveys,"!?? BS.

Alchemy until you provide some evidence (links)for all of these surveys you mention your words are BS!

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GerriM

Mar-25-13 4:13 AM

Alchemy seems to again be making excuses for the rapists and raping. Alchemy, the sociopath.

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TomSays

Mar-25-13 5:21 AM

Mike831 - it's obvious you are part of the Stupidville problem. Quit acting stupid! You can't recognize that Rape is Rape and that anyone who participated or covered up the rape should be jailed and your wonderful city of Steubenville is the problem because it appears this is business as usual in the Big Red Football town.

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classof52

Mar-25-13 10:07 AM

GerriM does not seem to realize that all people - even girls - should bear at least some responsibility for their actions. Hope you saw 60 minutes where one young man's life was almost destroyed on just the accusation of a girl who then got 1.5 million from school district because of accusing that boy of rape which she now admits was a lie. Girls, just because they are girls, should not be exempt from their actions and are sometimes even to blame for their own actions.

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KeepingInformed

Mar-25-13 1:04 PM

@Mike831: I think you are missing the point that many are trying to make. it's not that there are not criminals in other cities, they ARE everywhere, it's that not just a crime was commited here in Steubenville, but that SO MANY tried to cover up and hide this crime. It's one thing to do what these boys did, but to have SO MANY commuinty members/leaders do what they could to cover up, and in some cases defend, the deplorable actions of these, now guilty, boys. This is what makes it a disgrace.

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KeepingInformed

Mar-25-13 1:06 PM

@classof52: I don't care if I'VE had several drinks and took all my clothes off. If I'm passed or am even in and out of consciousness, I'm not asking for it. If I can't say no, that doesn't mean I'm saying yes.

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KeepingInformed

Mar-25-13 1:08 PM

and yes, i think they SHOULD have to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives!! the victim, regardless of how much she can actually remember, has to live with this for the REST OF HER LIFE!! in my opinion they got off easy! WAY TOO EASY!!

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GerriM

Mar-25-13 1:53 PM

Class of '52 continues to make no sense. Please stop talking oranges when we are talking apples. (IOW, take Logic 101). The 60 Mins. story has nothing to do with the Steubenville story.

Of course, I think that all people should be responsible for their actions. Class of '52 is so puerile in her thinking. BTW, do you know that the victim was surreptitiously given an intoxicant in her drink?? The victim did NOT hurt anyone else while the two boys did. You don't seem to comprehend that blatant difference, '52?!

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classof52

Mar-25-13 2:55 PM

GerriM Simple explanation for my comments - My message is that all females are not "victims" but should take responsibility for their own actions. Nobody forced the girl in Steubenville to drink. She chose to and therefore it is not totally the blame of these two boys for the things that happened that night but they will pay for their actions but she will not and if she chooses to sue may even profit from her actions. This is not right and sort of gives the message that females can do anything without any recourse for their actions. THAT is not a good message for young females.

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Jlrey65

Mar-25-13 3:05 PM

@classof52, WOW. you're crazy!

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GerriM

Mar-25-13 5:09 PM

@Class of '52, Who said that ALL females are victims?? Nobody. Do you have trouble with reading comprehension?

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SHE DRANK OR NOT THE BOYS COMMITTED AN IMMORAL, CRIMINAL ACT! NO ONE FORCED THEM INTO THAT!

How does the boys being found guilty give the message that females can do anything without any recourse for their actions?? All of the teenagers were drinking including the boys. so are you saying that they and everyone else should be charged for that?

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