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GOP doesn’t care about the peopleJanuary 6, 2013To the editor: The efforts to avoid the fall of the fiscal cliff have turned into a circus, with the same clowns leading the parade into the big top.... Showing 25 of 43 comments Show More Comments
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MrCore
Stan, you got it exactly right. For the longest time they insisted that ideologically they could not support tax hikes, and when Obama asked for hikes only for those earning over $250k they sneared and said that was classism. In the end, though they agreed to a tax hike for those earning over $450k, demonstrating that their line that tax hikes were off the table was not based on ideology at all, but merely on shielding as many rich people's money as possible.
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Arnold
Fiscal Cliff was a marketing term developed to frighten the public. We did not avert a fiscal cliff, we went over the fiscal cliff a long time ago. Both Democrats and Republicans should be ashamed of themselves. I will gladly pay more taxes, if those taxes go directly to pay down our national debt. This government needs to stop writing checks they cant pay for. I say raise taxes, raise them on everyone, cut spending, cut spending on all programs. Get our books in balance and preserve a fiscal future for our children and their children.
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Moteman
Maybe the writer should go out and get the rest of the story instead of ingesting the pablum the main stream media spews. There are other more reliable sources of news. A daily dose of the Daily Kos or Huffington Post will rot your brain and make you simple.
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Moteman
It is called compromise exactly what your messiah called for. Now you demonize them. You don't want a fair government you want it all your way.
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mingoman
I agree with Stan. Republicans hate people. Republicans are the Nazis of the 21st century They don't represent people, they represent no one. Republicans want people to starve, be homeless, and eat their young. Democrats love everyone, care about everyone and are our saviors. They have absolutely no faults, have never made mistakes and are perfect. Thanks Stan for making that clear to all of us. I feel so much better now.
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Moteman
Mingoman your post is so filled with hate. You need to calm down you will blow a gasket, but I am betting your post was just meant to troll the comments. You are just trying to start something and promote your hate and discontent.
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mingoman
Moteman,
It was sarcasm for Stan the Man. I wanted to point out just how rediculous his letter was.
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Activist
Why don't Stan and his ilk never say anything about the corrupt, communist, hypocritical, pathological lying, parasites in the Democrat Party??? It's obvious that he, like MrCore, gets everything he knows from the Obama media and is completely ignorant of the truth.
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MrCore
Apparently Activist missed the letter i wrote complaining about Obama and NDAA.
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SpankysLastDance
"GOP doesn't care about the people".
You need to amend your letter! You forgot to mention that all Republicans are RACISTS!
Have you read "Smear Strategy a Failure" article by C. Rogerson in the 11/20/2012 edition of The Intelligencer.
You two fellas sure have a lot of hate in your hearts.
You are entitled to your opinion, but no good can come from making statements like you have. I sometimes identify with the Republican ideology, and sometimes with the Democrat view. Maybe you should take off the blinders and have a look at the big picture. If you can't do that, then you are only cheating yourself. Both sides have something to offer. It's very immature to say that Republicans don't care about people, I would bet that 100% of them do care about people. It's also very narrow minded for someone to say that Democrats drink Obama's Kool-Aid. But heck, you and people like you want to keep driving that wedge, that's your choice. Keep in mind that you are the proble
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MrCore
Spanky, you're entire commentary on Stan's letter was criticism of the headline. Stan didn't write that part.
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SpankysLastDance
Are you certain about that? Either way. I trust the editor to read the article and summarize properly to create a headline that represents the context of the letter. Regardless, it's still very irresponsible to make the inference that Republicans do not care about people. It's very narrow minded. Now, if Republicans were only interested in protecting the rich, then it would be fair to say that Democrats raised tax rates on average everyday workers by 2.6%. Many people who can not afford to have that much money taken from their paychecks are going to suffer. Your cashiers, delivery drivers, service workers are going to suffer. They will be giving up a tank of gas, a couple of pizzas, a new pair of jeans each and every month. The wealthy who also received a tax increase, will miss out on nothing! So crying for higher taxes on the wealthy does nothing. It doesn't pay down the national debt, it doesn't create jobs, it doesn't fix roads.
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SpankysLastDance
What the fiscal cliff fiasco accomplished was a tax increase on the working poor and further divide the population! That's it! I challenge anyone to prove that the vote taken two weeks ago will improve anything. Show me the proof!
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MrCore
What it did was it avoided the ticking time bomb of raising taxes even more and it kicked the can on spending cuts down the road thus avoiding an economic disaster. It doesn't improve a thing, I agree, but that's because the GOP wouldn't vote for the options that WOULD have made things better.
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charlieblake
If you really look at it the leaders of the GOP and the Democrats they could care less about any of us. Their goal is to get elected and consolidating their power period.. While we are divided into our little controlable groups these so called elite are laughing and having a drink. Who are they laughing at;us. It's all about consolidating power and control. The success tax and entitlements in the US are nothing more than a method for both parties to buy votes with our money. Both parties have been complicit in taking our liberty, from the tax code to the patriot act, to the NDAA. The price we pay is our freedom.
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widowmaker41
I believe that the separatist ideas of BOTH sides are indicative of the corruption of our esteemed govt. As far as I know, Congress and the presidency are both democrat heavy, and I have not seen any plan of theirs coming down the pipes to fix this drama. I am waiting for the politician that says, " If we have no money, we can't spend that money." or " I am interested in slimming down the bloated govt spending, or maybe even One that realizes that waiting for the last minute to accomplish anything does not accomplish anything... How dare anyone say GOP or DEM-- Looks to me like R/D in front of a name means nothing. they all say the same crap...
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widowmaker41
Dangit! Still itchin to say this so I guess I will and get it off my chest. How is is that when...... We have a Rep President, Rep controlled Congress, and a Rep controlled House, we blame the Republicans, YET...... When we have a Dem President, a Dem controlled Congress, and a Rep heavy House, YOU DEMS STILL blame the Repubs. What is it that you need before you start looking in YOUR OWN backyard instead of blaming the neighbors for your sewer smell? 2008-2010 You Dems had all three... and STILL blamed the repubs. check your stink before blaming others for BS. I believe reckless spending on account of YOUR demigod Obama has alot to do with your complaints about fiscal cliffs. Doesn't look to me like he tried to "meet in the center" either so until HE does, I blame BOTH.. We (America) are broke. our credit rating has been dropped from AAA to AA.. Next is A. which means not the best credit risk.. Stop the damm spending when it isnt there to spend. ONLY a Democrat cant see this
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MrCore
Somebody has absolutely no idea what the political situation here is.
The massive spending is debt from the wars Bush started. Obama did not have a filibuster-proof Congress for two years. He had one for about three months. During that time, they had no debt ceiling issues.
Even Boehner's proposed Plan B was rejected by the GOP. The dems were willing to compromise from the beginning. Obama wanted to raise taxes on those earning over $250 K but he COMPROMISED at $450k. He made that concession early, and the GOP held off on accepting it right up until the brink.
The Repubs own this one. You absolutely cannot put it on the Dems.
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widowmaker41
it is interesting you blame all of the spending on bush wars...Each of Mr. Obama’s annual deficits has been larger than any since the 1940s. Deficits aggregate into debt, and as I have previously written it is reasonable to think of President Obama and George W. Bush as each being responsible for roughly one-third of the debt — with all presidents from George Washington through Bill Clinton responsible for the remaining third. (In the absence of George W. Bush, it would of course be much harder, perhaps impossible, to argue that President Obama has not been a radical departure from previous presidents on debt.) ((from a forbes.c0m article)).. this country HAS to stop this me against you theory in govt. Either that or fail utterly. As with private debt.. someone will come to collect what is owed somewhere down the line, I dont care if you tax everyone at 30% including lower class, that is still just a smidge in the bucket of our debt. stop the erratic spending, BOTH SIDES
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widowmaker41
Coincidentally, the $450,000 number the president decided to "concede to" is telling when President's Salary Effective January 1, 2001, the annual salary of the President of the United States was increased to $400,000 per year, including a $50,000 expense allowance.
Soo, raise the taxes on those that make more then me but,...NOT ME.. yeah lets discuss that magical number deeper
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MrCore
Obama cut spending in his first term more than any president since Eisenhower. The deficit continued to grow under him because of spending commitments he didn't make. He inherited them - from Bush.
Bush's war commitments didn't stop when he left office.
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SpankysLastDance
This blaming Bush for everything routine is getting old. Tell me friend, after 9/11, what would Americans have said if Bush stood up and said, Americans, al quaida killed three thousand of us but we are not going to go after them because we are worried about spending too much money. What would Americans have thought about that? All of the spending for those wars was approved by Dems and Repubs and it was money well spent! So get over that stupid argument, please!
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SpankysLastDance
Next comment: 1.17 trillion dollars. That is the total amount of US Cash dollars in circulation as of Dec. 2012. So, the government could collect ever scrap of cash, and barely pay one months interest on the outstanding debt. So there certainly is a problem and it didn't start with Bush or Clinton or Obama or Reagen. It started when Americans started trusting government to do the right thing and "We the People" took our eyes off the ball. It is our responsibility come together to pressure the clowns into getting this stuff fixed. It is their job to keep us divided and weak and fool us into believing that kicking the can down road is acceptable.
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Pastorkg
Why doesn't anyone address the real issue which is our spending problem. Obama flat out lied when he said that he would not raise taxes on the middle class. My paycheck and others as well tell a different story. It is the divisive nature of articles such as this that make me wonder what has our country become. We cannot have open and honest debates without there being attacks on ones character, class, economic status, etc. What was once called the United States is now the Divided States.
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MrCore
Spanky, I didn't make a statement that was critical of the choice to go to war. I made a factual statement about the fact that the spending for the wars being an ongoing commitment. Your saying that Bush blaming is getting old is getting old. I merely noted FACTUALLY that Obama cut spending, but the deficit went up anyway because it was going to go up no matter who was president due to the fact that deficits come about as a result of money that you have to spend (such as war money) when revenue is down (because of tax cuts) and that both the tax cuts and the wars were things Obama inherited. That's undeniable. All the Obama hate in the world won't change the fact that he didn't cause the deficit.
He wanted to raise revenues with a tax increase on the wealthy. The dems didn't stop him. The GOP did. The GOP OWNS the deficit.
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